Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hi, my name is Brian King and.
[00:00:01] Speaker B: I'm EVP of Marketing at Advanced Drainage.
[00:00:04] Speaker A: Systems and you're listening to the Water Values Podcast.
[00:00:07] Speaker C: The Water Values Podcast is sponsored by the following market leading companies and organizations by Xylem Let's Solve Water by the American Waterworks Association Dedicated to the World's Most Important Resource by Black and Veatch Building a World of difference by 120 water new rules need New Tools by Suez Digital Solutions Optimizing Water by IDE Water Technologies, your partner in water treatment and sustainable desalination for six decades by Advanced Drainage Systems. Our Reason is water by 1898 & Co. Possibilities powered by Experience by Woodard and Curran, High Quality Consulting, Engineering Science and Operations Services and by Innovation and Stewardship for a Sustainable Tomorrow. This is session 274.
[00:01:10] Speaker D: Welcome to the Water Values Podcast. This is the podcast dedicated to water utilities, resources, treatment, reuse and all things water. Now here's your host, Dave McGipsey.
[00:01:24] Speaker C: Hello and welcome to another session of the Water Values Podcast. As my daughter Sarah said, my name is Dave McGimcie and thank you for joining me and thank you for your support over the last 11 plus years now. Well, we've all heard about data centers and microelectronics manufacturing recently, mostly for their energy usage, but they also use a tremendous amount of water. And we've got a terrific industrial water expert for you today. We've got Rod McNally from Xylem. Rod is the Vice President and General Manager of Xylem's Water Solutions and Services division. Rod discusses water use in data centers and those microelectronics manufacturing facilities. Also, Reece Tisdale joins us for a Bluefield on Tap segment that discusses the recently released ASCE report Grading Water, Wastewater and Stormwater Infrastructure, among other infrastructure sectors. So listen on for those details. But before we get to today's conversations, we always say thank you to our fantastic group of sponsors at the top of every show. Our sponsors include Xylem, the American Waterworks Association, Black & Veatch 120 Water, Suez Digital Solutions, IDE Water Technologies, Advanced Drainage Systems 1898 & Company, Woodard & Curran and Entera. And that, my friends, is a terrific collection of impactful companies that have affirmatively decided to support water industry thought leadership and education. And I thank you all and I'd like for you, the listener, to please do me a favor. If you work for or with any of those sponsors, please thank your boss or thank your contact at the sponsor firm and let them know that you appreciate their leadership in the industry through that sponsorship. You'd be surprised how far that simple little note of thanks will go.
And as long as you're letting the sponsors know you appreciate their support of water industry education and thought leadership, hey, why not leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or whatever podcast directory you're accessing the podcast on? It'd be greatly appreciated and of course, helps others find out about the podcast. And also, please don't forget to subscribe to the podcast. Yes, the ever important subscription. Well, before we head on to the interview with Rod, we've got a Bluefield on Tap segment with Bluefield Research's Rhys Tisdale. So take it away, guys. Well, Reece, welcome back to another Bluefield on Tap. How you doing?
[00:03:36] Speaker A: Pretty good, Dave. Pretty good. Just, I don't know, living the dream. Doesn't have to be my dream. It just has to be a dream.
[00:03:42] Speaker E: Yeah, well, you know, spring is in.
[00:03:45] Speaker C: The air, opening days occur. The Mariners got a victory, the Red Sox got a victory. So life is good right now.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Well, I'm glad you're keeping score. So now we only have 161 games to go.
[00:03:57] Speaker C: That's right. That's right. So a lot going on in the water sector.
What's risen to the top of the stack this week or this?
[00:04:05] Speaker A: Well, I think, Yeah, I would say, you know, just earlier this week, I think it was Monday or Tuesday, already lost track of the week. But the American Society of Civil Engineers just put out its report, which they do every four years. And it's important because what they do is they put grades on infrastructure and what that means for the water sector. You know, I will say with one caveat, and we can jump into some of the details, is they are engineers. And you know, I don't mean to be cynical, but the worst the grade, maybe the better off they are when it comes in terms of marketing. But yeah, it's helpful in a widely read report. So I suggest or recommend that everybody take a look at it and see what they have to say.
[00:04:53] Speaker E: Okay, so give us a flavor of what the report said. I know there are a number of.
[00:04:58] Speaker C: Different categories they rank in.
[00:05:00] Speaker E: And so what are the kind of. What are the categories that you're tracking and where are the ranks?
[00:05:06] Speaker A: Yeah, so I would say to your point, they look at about 18 different categories across infrastructure in the US infrastructure in the US as a whole has received a grade of a C. We're looking at an A to F grade. We have participated Bluefield in supporting the ASCE over the last Two reports. So they do it every four years. So the grade C is actually up from where it was the previous report. And part of that is they're saying that IIJA has helped with infrastructure funding and improvements, IRA as well. But that being said, across those 18 categories, the need serve the needs as far as dollars that they have identified has increased by $1.2 trillion since the last report. So pretty significant. That's not a small number. But what to your last question and what we're interested in is water, wastewater and stormwater as far as Bluefield is concerned.
But briefly. And you know, water has gotten a C minus, wastewater has gotten a D plus grade, and stormwater, which sits at the bottom, I think along with transit gets a D. So that's the worst of the lot.
[00:06:26] Speaker C: Oh, man.
[00:06:27] Speaker E: So curious about how the grades are calculated.
[00:06:33] Speaker C: Is it primarily collection system, distribution system, and then is there a separate grade for treatment plants or what?
[00:06:42] Speaker E: How are they basing this grade?
[00:06:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, so the way they look at things like stormwater is what they're doing is like, what are the impacts? So, you know, I think one of the metrics they're looking at is, you know, what's the state of impaired rivers? Has it increased or decreased over time? And so what they're seeing is that's exactly what has happened. They do look at the needs based on surveys and what the industry or the market is seeing. And they're also looking at, you know, if the needs are increasing, are the fees for the respective service, whether it be drinking water, wastewater, or stormwater, are they increasing at the same rate or at pace with what the needs are? So they've done that as well as looking at what are replacement rates. So are replacement rates also keeping pace with the demand on the infrastructure as well? So it's more than just triangulation. I think they're looking at a number of different reports. And I'll be honest, Bluefield, we provide them with data. We go back and forth with them to talk about, among others. It's not exclusive to us, obviously, but we don't get the secret sauce. We don't get to see the teacher behind the scenes saying C plus A minus D and so forth.
[00:08:03] Speaker C: Yeah, well, it's interesting that it's. It's not just the infrastructure itself. It's more.
[00:08:08] Speaker E: It's almost the, the just the state of state of the entire system rather than just just infrastructure itself. Right.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think they have to triangulate that. And you know, it's. Admittedly, there are A lot of assumptions that have to be made. And I think stormwater is something that actually is a good example.
They didn't track that until the last 2021 report because I know they had come to us asking about that and built to build that out. And stormwater is something that I think they've seen impacting cities, municipalities and government decisions increasingly over time. And they're trying to figure out, you know, all right, well, how do we put a score on that? And a big part of that is it is in many years it's non point source, you know, impacts. Right.
What are the impacts of runoff? Are the systems being overwhelmed and then what are the financial constraints or needs that they're seeing?
[00:09:14] Speaker C: Yeah, in general, we've heard about how much rates have increased in the water.
[00:09:19] Speaker E: Industry at a pace faster than other industries, including inflation.
[00:09:27] Speaker C: Does the report take that into consideration at all in terms of how the money has come in to fix the problems?
[00:09:36] Speaker A: They do. They do talk about the role of private capital coming into the sector and needs and seeing growing interest in that space. They talk about in the case of fragmentation and or the need for consolidation, regionalization, to roll up some of these smaller, more distressed systems. So they address that. Whether that's directly impacting the rankings, I think that may be more subjective in that influence. And then lastly, they do talk about water rates and I think, you know, then they use a number that's slightly different from ours, but not all that different. If Bluefield seeing, you know, say a 4 to 5% increase year over year for water rates, you know, those are only increasing so much. Right. You know, as you well know, if it's a regulated utility, it has to be argued, you know, through a rate case or presented for a city.
Some people look at those increases as, you know, in another way. It's like a tax increase. So they become very political and so they are being forced to look for other avenues of funding. But that's hard for small systems and utilities. They don't have the sophistication, they don't have the resources, the time and they don't have the, you know. Yeah. The ability to really, to, you know, use more sophisticated financial instruments.
[00:11:03] Speaker E: Yeah.
Big, big issues out there. Well, Reece, as always, thank you so much for the dropping your knowledge on us.
[00:11:11] Speaker C: Great to speak with you as always.
[00:11:12] Speaker E: And we'll look forward to talking again next month.
[00:11:15] Speaker A: 100% look forward to it and enjoy the spring.
[00:11:18] Speaker E: Likewise. We'll talk to you soon, Reece. Bye.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: Take care.
[00:11:22] Speaker C: As always, great information from Bluefield Research and Reese Tisdale. Now it's time for the main event, our interview with Rod McNelly. Asylum. So let's get that water flowing.
[00:11:32] Speaker E: Well Rod, welcome to the Water Values podcast. Great to have you on. How you doing today?
[00:11:36] Speaker B: We are doing well. David, thank you for the opportunity to share and talk about water and wastewater with you today.
[00:11:44] Speaker E: Yeah, I'm excited about our conversation.
Before we dive into our topic, could you give us a little background on who you are and kind of what, how you came to the water sector first?
[00:11:56] Speaker B: Thanks again for the opportunity. My wife has accused me always of embarking upon a career being acquired in the water space.
The Cliff Notes version goes something like I started years ago, 38 to be exact, at Millipore Water. Millipore became Ion Pure Technologies became US Filter became Vivendi Veolia, Siemens Water, all terrific companies. Had a little collision there vision wise with a couple of companies and I went into private equity. And then when AEA purchased Siemens Water Technologies they asked a few of us back and we were glad to have the opportunity to return to a vocal Water Technologies. And as in the last 18 months we've merged with Xylem. So 38 years of water and wastewater opportunities that continue to present themselves to us.
[00:12:48] Speaker C: David, impressive.
[00:12:49] Speaker E: You've seen it all in the water sector.
[00:12:50] Speaker B: It seems like if we haven't seen it, we probably forgot that we saw it. Yes.
[00:12:57] Speaker E: So let's talk about big, big picture. Demand for water is, is increasing and I'd like to get your perspective on, you know, with your 38 years of experience, how, how have you seen demand for water increase and how are supplies looking in that, in that same context?
[00:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah, great question, David. Just over the years there's a lot of facts and figures in the last three to five years that are concerning. Right, lots of pressures. Water scarcity is no longer confined just traditionally to the arid regions themselves. A couple just facts and figures there. You think of United States. We only have two states, Alaska and Kentucky that are, that have not faced a drought condition of some form or fashion. And you think about that global, which was not the case when I started in this business.
But today you think of that same global pressure that's being developed, you know, 2.4 billion out of the 6 or 8.2 billion. Almost 30% of our people live in water stressed countries. That's not what happened over the last. I'm sorry, that's not where we started 38 years ago. Today those pressures just keep expanding.
[00:14:16] Speaker E: So Rod, very curious, those pressures are expanding.
Do you have Any thoughts on what's putting the pressure on? I mean, is it simply population growth? Is it water intensive industries? Not to put words in your mouth, but I'm just kind of curious what your perspective on the increase in demand and where it's coming.
[00:14:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I think there's three big drivers. First is we continue to have population growth, we have urbanization, we've got the impacts of climate change.
All means those communities are facing water scarcity more than they have been before.
We've got fast growing industries such as data centers. And in that microelectronics semiconductor vertical as we call it, our fabrications, they continue to drive increases in demand for the water and that just puts pressure then on source. And candidly, we don't have any more real water available on the globe. So if we're fixed in water amounts and quality to start with, and we've got population growth and energy and other demands that we need to supply our people as well as our industries, then it just becomes water supplies dwindling.
Sorry. And demand of water increasing.
[00:15:37] Speaker E: Got it. So you pointed to some interesting. You indicated the fast growing industries and data centers and microelectronics are all the rage right now.
I think the proliferation of data centers, or not the proliferation, but maybe the rapid deployment of data centers is.
People are very cognizant of that in the power sector. But can you talk a little about how water is impacted by data centers and microelectronics manufacturing?
[00:16:09] Speaker B: Yeah. In a data center itself, all of those servers just generate a lot of heat and you've got to keep it cool so that they stay very productive and you don't have downtime with the servers themselves. And it all starts with cooling water. And when you cool water, you have to assure yourselves that you have the right quality of cooling water. And you also have to make sure that the feed water type is identified. So analytics of the water cooling systems to prevent fouling and maintain optimal temperatures and system efficiency for power consumption is critical for the application Xylem has to have. And we continue to invest into technologies for efficient pumps and consumption of electrical demand. We look at valveless automatic self cleaning filters to save water and we look at, you know, disinfection that needs to be applied so that if they're in a closed loop for cooling tower loops, we've, we've made sure that we've, we don't grow bugs and have any other kind of fouling that goes on inside the system so that the maintenance of those generators, heat exchangers, et cetera, Stay clean, stay efficient and keep the uptime of those data centers strong, which AI absolutely is increasing. And you know, candidly too David, we in the water sector, in a water wastewater business look at AI for predictive analytics so that we know when ahead of time to maybe change pumps, change oil, change membranes, etc. So that we're more efficient and we don't have trucks running on the road to go do rounds and readings as an example at a data center. But to make sure that we have optimized that carbon footprint as well as Xylem wants to be good global corporate citizens.
[00:18:04] Speaker E: Got it. So I I have heard about fouling in these closed loop cooling systems, but I'll be honest, I really don't understand what exactly fouling entails and how it occurs. And so can you dive into the water treatment needed for a closed loop system? Because I think that is such an important aspect of all problem I'd love.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks again. Great question on on the clarity. It depends on the analytics of the water that you start with. Where did the water come from? And we need to treat the water and or disinfect the water so that it's cleaner and as clean as possible so that you can recirculate water in those closed loops. Sometimes heat exchangers as an example, over time could build up with either solids and or precipitants like calcium, magnesium, fouling some blades so you lose efficiency then inside the cooling loop and the cooling processes themselves. So we want to start clean with good analytics.
We've got some microsand filters that would just take out the kind of rocks and boulders and suspended solids if you will. There will be bugs that we would take out with UV disinfection, et cetera. And then sometimes you can do that chemically. Ideally I think you like UV and hypochlorite or ozone and that just controls the biological growth in cooling systems so you prevent fouling and maintain that system efficiency.
[00:19:43] Speaker E: Got it. Great explanation. So that's the closed loop system. I've also heard of some data centers wanting to do open loop system where the cooling water would just be discharged via an NPDS permit. Curious what your thought is on water intensity of that type of cooling where where the water's just released versus the closed loop system where water is recirculated.
[00:20:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Again we would start with the water that we're going to feed the data center and do the analytics on it. And once we've determined what quality of water we can send to the data center itself instead of keeping it Closed loop. If we need to discharge, clearly then there are some contaminants that we would need to treat and transport. And at Xylem that's where we feel we have some strengths for the for the marketplace. We can move water, we can treat it and we can move it away from the data center and then discharge it with compliance and technologies that are similar again depending upon what the contaminant it is to discharge, the local requirements to discharge into lakes, rivers, streams, et cetera. And then that again would yield more analytic around what are the regulations before discharge. But in all cases, or both cases here that we're talking about, it just gives us an opportunity to make sure that when we have the information up front we can appropriately design for closed loop and design for open or discharge in both cases with the optimal design on water sustainability, water savings, recycle, reuse in all of those applications and unit operations.
[00:21:23] Speaker E: David, terrific. One thing I kind of glossed over that you I think we're heading down the route as well was water use in power generation because these data centers, not only as we talked about, these data centers, require a lot of power, not just cooling water. And so water is used to cool the power plants as well. Do you have any thoughts on that?
[00:21:53] Speaker B: I sure do and I'm glad you raised it or brought us back to that discussion. I mean over the 38 years we've seen fossil fuel plants do really well, provide a lot of electricity and power generation side and then you certainly have the distribution to get it to the plants, the industrial locations and our communities themselves. Here's what's changed pretty dramatically in the last five or so years. We are retiring and or shuttering fossil fuel plants, coal plants, et cetera. But when you have energy demand going up with data centers using a lot of energy, then that is a question on the table. Still will the some of the effluent limit guidelines stay intact.
And then that allows us also to circle back though and design water and wastewater systems that can treat whether they're emerging contaminants on the coals that might have been used and still stay compliant, be very sustainable, be very green if you will, in water and wastewater, keep those plants open a little bit longer until the new technologies like modular nuclear, etc. Catch up so that there's not a gap in providing energy and electricity to all of us in our houses and homes as well as where we work.
[00:23:09] Speaker E: At great point the rod you've highlighted what the water energy nexus. What what else about data centers do you think is important for for the listener to know.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: We have so many opportunities and sources to go get information.
We would just want to be as encouraging as possible. One of the first times that I've seen in the years where the watering water and energy nexus are coming together with the proper economic drivers and just encouraging all that are in this situation, whether you're building a new data center, you have one that you'd like to optimize, or any new greenfield site or even brownfield conduct a water walk. That means invite in some of your experts, your subject matter experts, look at optimizing the cooling processes, make sure that the operational and sustainability goals can be met and also take a look at security around where that water is coming from so that you can also address that in any emergency preparedness planning in what we refer to as a water walk. But it would just be a visit. Gather as much information before you make some decisions as it relates to your water and wastewater system.
[00:24:23] Speaker E: Got it. So, fascinating discussion on data centers. I mean, really interesting to hear all that.
What about the, you know, the microelectronics industry? You mentioned the chip manufacturing and so what are water uses?
Are they different? How do they, how do they compare to a data center?
[00:24:45] Speaker B: Yeah, another just great questions, David. Just a couple points of facts and figures. We came across a recent study that showed at least 40% of the semiconductor manufacturing facilities themselves are in watersheds likely to face high water stress risks by the year 2030. Just as an example, a large plant in the fab world can can use as much as 10 million gallons of water a day. That's the same consumption as 300,000 households. So they use a lot of water. Interestingly enough, you know, some companies have actually chose to be in arid climates like in Arizona. And with Arizona already stressed, they have to take even further looks on innovative solutions that enable manufacturers to treat, to manage to reuse water very efficient, efficiently. With some now recycling up to what, 80 to 90% of the water.
There are certainly advanced water management solutions that can enhance that sustainability. In microelectronics, they use a lot of water for the chips and wafers and in a couple other ancillary and or adjacent businesses for microelectronics like those making silicon for even the machines that the big fabricators use also have opportunities to save millions of gallons annually so that they can reduce the need to pretreat municipal source water, also helping in significant savings in some of those applications. But microelectronics, they use a lot of water. The largest users that I'm probably familiar. Other than just municipal drinking water converting desalination plants, microelectronics uses the most water and in many cases.
[00:26:37] Speaker E: Yeah. A fascinating discussion because on a couple points. First what you were describing when you were talking, it just my mind went back to reading Charles Fishman's the Big Thirst for the first time. He's talking about a chip manufacturing facility.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:26:51] Speaker E: And he was talking about the water running in glass pipes, about how they needed special filtration because if you had, you know, because water is the ultimate solvent. Right. So anything it'll, it'll pick up stuff. And he said if you are washing those chips and there's stuff in the water, it's like a boulder going over it and could, could ruin the chip. So there's specialized filtration.
How does, are you familiar with those aspects of these microelectronics manufacturing facilities?
[00:27:27] Speaker B: Yes, very much so. And I love the visual you just created for us. David. Well done. I remember the book itself and just a couple facts and figures. In the microelectronics world they use a heck of a lot of water.
And a recent study we found that at least 40% of those semiconductor manufacturing facilities are actually in watersheds likely to face high water stress by the by the year 2030. So we have to pay attention as we had discussed like a water walk to make sure that you know what water you're starting with. You remove that the quality of water and the quantity of water for those semiconductor manufacturers are large in quantity and very high quality of water to address your point. So you need multiple unit operations, you need innovative solutions to enable those manufacturers to treat it to management, manage it. But most importantly, if you're in that stressed area in a fab facility, you got to reuse the water more efficiently. And with some cases now we can recycle up to 80 to 90% of their water.
And in a couple of cases adjacent companies that are in chemicals that are used in fabrication facilities to create high quality product and silicon wafers also reuse up to 80% of all the discharged water, thus resulting in significant savings for the company. But most importantly making sure that that municipal source of water is optimized and reduced when possible.
[00:29:04] Speaker E: Interesting. And you also raised the interesting point of of these facilities being located in water stressed regions. It boggles my mind why some of these facilities are located where they are. Do you have any insights into.
I'm sure water is not the only driver. I think the, you know, the water sector, sometimes it's in a silo and can Only see the water issue.
[00:29:26] Speaker C: But, but what are the other factors.
[00:29:29] Speaker E: Driving the siting of these, these types of facilities?
[00:29:31] Speaker B: Besides the education base that's in the geography, there's also some that are in the Midwest and in Ohio, a really large facility that looked at, you know, worker and available talents, that has the knowledge and, or has the education feeding system that allows them to, you know, also optimize and create jobs. So you look at an education base, talent of worker and supply and labor, and certainly water seems to be one of the lower thresholds that they look at. But then you have local incentives, local education and employment needs that help that facility work. And at the end of the day, I really believe that the industry, semiconductor industry, wants to do the right thing for sustainability, whether that's carbon footprint, water usage, etc, and they do a very nice job, including communities, local communities and water and, and wastewater vendors to be a part of the decision process, the design process. So that to your point, water is not being thought of at the last, it's being thought of up front. It's just that perception that if you're in a desert, where's the water coming from? But clearly what we started to talk about right out of the gate, the population growth and using water in areas that are drought risk, we can increase it and achieve the goals of both local communities. Microelectronics by sustainability discussions up front with the water walk and water designs.
[00:31:16] Speaker E: Rod, you were kind of talking about filtration and the reuse of process. I mean what, what technologies, what type of filtration can help help reduce the natural demand and help increase water reuse?
[00:31:32] Speaker B: Yeah, there are a variety of those that are being developed in the pumping world itself. And pumps, there are pumps now that are being launched with primarily 100% functionality around good pressure and good flow, but they're electric, so reducing any demand. Diesel driven pumps, when you move water to a plant, number one, number two, while you're in that plant, advanced oxidation products, biological products, digesters can help reuse waste. And even hydrolyzers being applied to anaerobic digesters can help us reuse in other verticals besides microelectronics. And I think at the end of the day, the summary goes something like this. You can move water, you need to treat it, you need to move it for compliance, for discharge. In all of those cases, do as much homework as possible given the time constraints you might be under. And it will find favor with you in the end. Because now you're optimizing technologies, processes and saving water in the End and you'll also save energy because of new pump designs, less backwash rates on some pretreatment, more optimal designs on reverse osmosis or UF or any other technologies that's out there and making sure that you're providing a sustainable offer at any of the plant locations or communities that you live in or work in.
[00:33:11] Speaker E: Got it. So before we say goodbye, Rod, do you have a leave behind message you'd like to provide to our listeners?
[00:33:19] Speaker A: I would.
[00:33:19] Speaker B: And again, David, we want to thank you for the opportunity, opportunity to just talk with you and share with you here. The leave behind would be do your homework, take time to do a water walk or a water design discussion with subject matter experts. The more time you spend up front to understand the movement of water, the treatment of water, the movement of water away from your plant or back into your plants or your communities, it will never be time wasted on the front end of any kind of project retrofit or reclaim program. Spend a little more time up front and it will yield a lot of sustainability rewards down the road on the project. So again, David, thank you for our time today. Really enjoyed it and looking forward to continuing to make a difference in 2025 for the water and wastewater world globally.
[00:34:14] Speaker E: Well, thank you, Rod. You've been absolutely fantastic. I really appreciate it. I love your words of wisdom there at the end. It sounds a lot like one of my favorite sayings really from the woodworking sector is that measure twice, cut once.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: I love that.
That's so well said. Thank you.
[00:34:33] Speaker E: Well, Rod, thanks so much. You've been absolutely fantastic today. For those who want to find out more about you and your work, where can they go to get that information? Information.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: Thanks, David. I'm on LinkedIn, Rodney McNelly under Xylem as well, and we have a website, Xylem2, that can steer you in the right direction based on the business you're in, the vertical you're in to help all on and provide some good guardrails and guidelines for each of you.
[00:35:02] Speaker E: Perfect. What we'll do is I'll put it in the check out the show notes. I will put a link to Rod's bio on LinkedIn and I'll also plug in the Xylem website that that Rod mentioned. So again, Rod, thank you very much for your time. You've been absolutely wonderful. I've really enjoyed the the knowledge you shared with us today. So thanks so much and I look forward to sharing your vision for a great 2025 in the water and wastewater set.
[00:35:29] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:35:29] Speaker E: David, we'll talk to you soon. Rod. Take care.
[00:35:32] Speaker B: Thanks. You too.
[00:35:34] Speaker C: Well, you think Rod knows a thing or two about water use in industrial facilities like data centers and microelectronics manufacturing plants? What a depth and breadth of knowledge he has. Thanks for coming on and sharing that knowledge, Rod. Really appreciate it. Well, I'd love to know what you thought about the interview. Please check out the Show Notes page for information and links on this episode. Just google the Water Values Podcast and click the first link that comes up. That's our home at the Bluefield Research website. Again, for longtime listeners, you know that Bluefield Research and the Water Values LLC are not affiliates. We just have a joint marketing arrangement. And as part of that, the Water Values Podcast gets its home on the web at the Bluefield Research site.
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